Biblegod Can't Be Perfect
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 IF the "God" of the Bible Admitted to Doing
Anything that's Less Than Good,
THEN He's Not Perfect.

According to the story in Genesis...

Of all the creatures, the only one created by Biblegod without  a female, was the human.1 

Later Biblegod said "It isn't good for man to be alone" and then created Eve. 2  
 


 

Things to note here:   

 

  • Biblegod is the one who declared it wasn't good.
  • But Biblegod is the one who created it in the first place.
  • Therefore Biblegod created something that wasn't good.
  • Therefore Biblegod is not perfect.

 

  • "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
  • Biblegod fixed it by creating Eve.
  • Because it was fixed, it must have needed fixing in the first place.
  • Therefore Biblegod created something that needed fixing.
  • Therefore Biblegod is not perfect.

A truly perfect being is incapable of making mistakes- even one. But Biblegod MADE a mistake by creating the human male (complete with penis, sperm and testosterone) without a female companion, and this AFTER having had the common sense to create all the other animals male/female.  Biblegod went on to confirm it was a mistake by freely admitting what he had done wasn't good. Biblegod then went on and proved beyond all doubt that it certainly WAS a mistake by fixing the mistake (if it ain't broke, don't fix it). Thus (if Biblegod were real) Christians are worshipping a faulty, imperfect god, who makes mistakes, and has to go back and fix the mistakes he himself made.  In short, the god of the Bible, by his own admission, isn't perfect.

 

As for the inevitable Christian word quibblers, the word "good" in Genesis 2:18 (Strongs word #02896) is the EXACT same "good" used in the verse right before 18, i.e. Genesis 2:17:  "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."  So apparently, Biblegod himself didn't have "knowledge of good and evil" or else he wouldn't have done something that wasn't good. It is also the same "good" as used in Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." 

 

1) Genesis 2:7     2)   Biblegod, in Genesis 2:18

NOTE:  The above line of reasoning is a silver bullet to the vampire heart of Christianity. They have NO answer or defense to it, other than to ignore it. I recommend to all Freethinkers, Atheists and Agnostics, to work it into their conversations with their Fundy friends. It might just be the "hammer" that cracks their arrogant eggshell of self-deception.  ---Mark Smith

 

 

 

 

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Biblegod Can't Be Perfect

Mark Smith  June 2003

 

Responses to Biblegod Not Perfect

 

Biblegod can not be perfect. A perfect being, by definition, has no needs or desires or wants to be met. A perfect being in a perfect situation would not have a desire to change a thing- in fact, it would have no needs or desires at all. Perfection could not desire anything other than perfection, i.e. itself.  Beings can only desire what they don't already have, and a perfect being already has everything it wants, and therefore a perfect being can have no wants. Therefore, if a perfect being existed, "in the beginning" it would have done nothing at all- as nothing at all would have ever needed to be done- you can't improve on perfection- you can only mess it up. You are complete- you lack nothing. Therefore, if there really were a Biblegod, and if it were really perfect, it would have done nothing. Forever. It would act as the most stoned stoner that ever existed, the ultimate cosmic couch potato. 

The fact that we and the universe around us exists is proof positive that there is no such being, there is no perfect Biblegod. Chad Docterman summed it up thusly:

 

What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete -- it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing the elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.  http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/library/cd_impossible.html 

 

 

Picture yourself a perfect being in a perfect world. You are neither hungry nor full; therefore you seek no food. You are neither cold nor hot; therefore you seek no heat or air conditioning. You are neither bored nor overly excited; therefore you seek neither entertainment nor calm. You have no itches to scratch, no beds to be made, no "To Do" lists to fulfill, no loneliness to cure. You are a perfect being in a perfect world living in a state of perfection, with no wants, needs, or desires.

Another website commented on this same topic:

It is said that God is perfect. If this is the case, he cannot have flaws. He has no needs. Nor can he have any wants, for to suggest otherwise implies that he is not satisfied with his current state. Dissatisfaction is a product of imperfection, thus a perfect God would be totally satisfied with a static existence; that is to say, he would change nothing.

Yet, according to our definition, he changes everything. He creates. He spends six days doing so. Granted that to a timeless being six days would be instantaneous, but still, he is not static. This is a contradiction. An all-powerful being that neither needs nor wants to change does not change. Therefore, either God is not perfect, or he did not create the Universe.
http://timelordnomad.tripod.com/NewUniverse/id12.html

Any possible action that a Biblegod might have taken (if he really existed) would only have been in response to an imperfect situation, as perfect situations need no responding to. Given a perfect being in a perfect setting, there would have been no actions. None. With all things perfect, there was no room for improvement, therefore no room for changes. In fact, with all things already perfect, any change at all would have only resulted in a situation less than perfect, since by definition perfection can not be improved, only maintained or messed up.

A Buddhist anti-Christian website put it thusly:

Christians claim that God is perfect, that he is complete in every way, but if God really did create the universe this would prove that he was not perfect. Let us examine why. Before God created the universe there was nothing - no sun, no earth, no people, no good or evil, no pain - nothing but God who was, according to Christians, perfect. So if God was perfect and nothing but perfection existed, what motivated God to create the universe and thus bring imperfection into being? Was it because he was bored and wanted something to do? Was it because he was lonely and wanted someone to pray to him?

Christians will say that God created everything because of his love of man, but this is impossible. God could not love humans before he created them any more than a woman could love her children before she had conceived them. God's need to create indicates that he was dissatisfied in some way and therefore not perfect. Christians might then say that God created spontaneously and without need or desire. However this would mean that the whole universe came into being without purpose or forethought and therefore it would mean that God was not a loving creator.

http://www.buddhismtoday.com/english/dialogue/03-beyond3.htm

 

Take a piece of lumber as an example. Let's say that you need a 2x4 cut to exactly 5&1/2 feet long, plus or minus nothing.  The length of 5&1/2 feet is the perfect length. Any deviation from that whatsoever is a deviation from the state of perfection into imperfection, regardless of what the deviation is. Any changes whatsoever would be a confession that things weren't perfect to start with.

What did Biblegod lack in a perfect world? The very word "lack" implies an imperfection crying out to be improved, not perfection. A perfect god, unlike the Christian's Biblegod, would have lacked for nothing, and thus done nothing. A perfect situation needs no improvements, alterations, or changes.

Therefore, the minute Christians admit that their Biblegod DID make changes, DID seek to alter his situation in any way whatsoever- such as creating a universe complete with angels and humans, his situation must have been, per definition, imperfect to start with, and therefore he must not have been a perfect being in a perfect environment. Biblegod, before anything at all was ever created, in order to create, must have  seen things he could improve. By making these changes, Biblegod proved himself for time and eternity to NOT be a perfect being. Biblegod, before anything and everything- when it was just he himself alone that existed, when there was nobody else to blame (as he was all that existed), Biblegod decided to "fix things" and as we all know, 

 

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

 

Conclusion? He "fixed it", therefore "it" must have been broken from the get-go, and since Biblegod was the ONLY "it" at the get-go, by all that is reasonable and logical, by all that makes sense in this world, Biblegod was not, could not be, and is not, perfect. Biblegod, back when there was ONLY Biblegod and nothing else BUT Biblegod, Biblegod saw the need to improve things- that is, HE SAW SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PERFECT, and the only thing to see back then was... Biblegod.

In other words, the mythical god of the Christians, the one they are trying to sell to the world in competition to all the other mythical gods out there, this god saw room to improve himself and his situation. Therefore, Biblegod was not perfect.

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The following idea was suggested by a reader, Steve McClellan,  of San Luis Obispo, CA. I liked it, so here it is...

Has Biblegod always wanted people to worship him?

(   )  Yes   (Therefore Biblegod was in want of something, and therefore not perfect)

(   )  No   (Therefore you are wasting your time doing so, so stop already!)


 

A Perfect Creator Cannot Exist

  1. If God exists, then he is perfect.

  2. If God exists, then he is the creator of the universe.

  3. If a being is perfect, then whatever he creates must be perfect.

  4. But the universe is NOT perfect.

  5. Therefore, it is impossible for a perfect being to be the creator of the universe.

  6. Hence, it is impossible for God to exist.

            God: The Failed Hypothesis   Victor J. Stenger, Prometheus Books, Amherst, NY 2007,  p. 32

 

 

 

 
 
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