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The Bible:  Worthy of Your Trust?


Eyewitness Testimony Invalidated

     Responses to Eyewitness Testimony Invalidated

God Is Not The Author

History or HIS-STORY?

How Firm A Foundation... of Forgeries???

James the Brother of Jesus

Schizophrenia and Personal Revelations

     Responses to Schizophrenia




The God of The Bible

Biblegod Is Not Perfect

    Responses to Biblegod Not Perfect

Biblegod The Warcriminal

    Responses to Biblegod
The Warcriminal


Tyrannosaurus Pettius Rex

Jehovah Unmasked

In or Out or Neit
her


Acts of God

September 11th Biblegod Did Nothing

    Responses to September 11th




The God of The Bible:
Does He Exist?

E=MC Disproves God

    Responses to E=MC

How To Prove The Existence of God

    Responses to How To Prove The Existence of God

Shopping For A God

Transcendental La La Land




Caught in a Lie:  Contradictions Within The Bible

Don't Be Such A Cretan

The Genealogy of Jesus

Galilee vs Jerusalem

Matthew vs John

Intrinsic Contradictions

Splainin To Do

The Intercontinental Ballistic Jesus

The Sign on The Cross

     Responses to The Sign on The Cross




Sand, Not Rock:  What Christianity is Really Built Upon

The Atonement

Monotheism Not Biblical

The Ten Commandments

Christianity Has Pagan DNA

Faith

Misc. Topics & Thoughts




Jesus:  False Prophet?


False Prophet- Liar, Fraud!

 If Anybody Else But Jesus…

 Jesus and His Expired Prophecies

Matthew 24 Verse by Verse

Mt 24:34 What The Scholars Say

Significance of Jesus Being a False Prophet

Preterism

     Responses to Jesus The False Prophet




Jesus:  Resurrected?

Even If True

Evidence That Doesn't Demand a Verdict

The Roman Soldiers: "We Were There!"

     Responses to Roman Soldiers




Churchianity Examined

Connecting The Dots

The Authority Totem

Twenty Percent Fewer Errors

Fire The Clergy

     Responses to Fire The Clergy

The Wealth of Churches

Authority In Church Government

The Fleecing of The Flock

The Great Commission Does Not Apply




CAUTIONChristianity May Be Hazardous to Your Health

Victims of Religion

   Responses to Victims of Religion

Voices In Our Head

Brainwashing

   Responses to Brainwashing

We Love Our Lies




Christian Morality or Lack Thereof 

Christianity Doesn't Work as Advertised

Hypocrisy- Thy Name is Christian

Morality

The Gospel of Jesus

 Happy Father's Day

He Wasn't a REAL Christian




Evangelical Atheism

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Without A Leg To Stand On (A Message For Freethinkers)

Give To Him That Asks

   Responses to Give To Him That Asks

Just Say No

   Responses to Just Say No

Damn The Truth- Full Speed Ahead

Answering Christian Stock Arguments

Modern Miracle Workers

Atheists In America

Anti-Religious Songs

Do Unto Others

Kissing Hank's Ass

Why Beer Is Better Than Jesus

Poster: Jesus is a Liar & Lunatic

The Good News of Atheism

The Skeptic’s Prayer

What Would Jesus Do?




Christian Cults

Consumers Guide to Religion- John Cleese of Monty Python (audio file)

Geek Speak Like a Fundy

   Responses to Geek Speak 101

How To Be a Fundy

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Baptists} Once Saved, Always Saved: Always False

Catholics: Only Child or Eldest Brother

Church of Christ

   Responses to Church of Christ Essays

Dr. Robert Schuller: Racism By A Nose

Jehovah Witnesses

Nazarenes} Entire Sanctification = Entire Nonsense

   Responses to Entire Sactification

Mormons

Seventh Day Adventists




For Christians...

Message to Christian Apologists

Notes to Christians Battling Atheists

Move A Mountain

Hope

Ex-Christians Get No Respect

Abortion

Hellfire For Homosexuals and Roses




Creationism, aka Intelligent Design

The Universe According To The Bible

   Responses to The Universe

In The Beginning God Was Nuts

Intelligent Design




Politics

Legalize Prostitution

Its The Economy, Stupid

Illegal Immigration

Bush Is Outta Here!!!

The Bush Monkey

Twilights Last Gleaming




Contra Craig
    (Dr. William Lane Craig)


Contra Craig

   Responses to Contra Craig




Misc.

Editorials

   Responses To Editorials

Comments to JCnot4me- Pro + Con

One Picture is Worth...

Links- Other Websites Worth Checking Out




Books You Should Read   

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Ha Ha Ha

Christian Election Poster

Flying Spaghetti Monster

Invitation from Rev. Jim Jones

Jokes

Pranks

Songs and Poems




 





 

Biblegod is NOT Perfect 

 

Christians Claim to Worship a Perfect God

To say that God is perfect is to say that there is no way in which God can be better. As with all else that He is, He is infinite in His perfection.  It matters not what facet of God we examine, there we find no blemish, no mark, no defect, no lack of anything.      http://www.omegafaith.org/godisperfect.htm 
Make no mistake about it, God makes no mistakes.  http://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-make-mistakes.html
Anyone who understands the truth about God knows that God does not make mistakes. Not a one. Never.   http://www.bible.ca/ef/expository-genesis-18-1-33.htm
God makes no mistakes. There are no accidents in the Bible. Nowhere will you find where God messed up, or had to step back on something he said. Many times His mind was swayed by the repenting of His children, but nowhere did He change His mind because He realized He was wrong.   http://m-n-v.blogspot.com/2008/02/god-makes-no-mistakes.html
God, according to (Thomas) Aquinas, did not, and could not have created anything less than good.   http://www.celcuk.com/evil.htm

 

 

The God of the Bible is Not Perfect
i.e. It Created Something "Less than Good"

Scripture
From "The Message" Translation
Commentary
Genesis 2:18 God said, "It's not good for the Man to be alone; I'll make him a helper, a companion." A god who "could not have created anything less than good" would be incapable of creating anything "not good".  A god who was capable of creating anything less than good, would not be a perfect god.

The god of the Bible  freely admits that it's "not good" for man to be alone. But it's the god of the Bible that created this "not good" situation in the first place. In short, in Genesis 2:18 we have Biblegod himself admitting to being fallible, to doing something that wasn't perfect, something that wasn't even good.

Another indication that Biblegod made an error is the fact that he wants to fix the error with the creation of a companion. People don't fix things unless they're broken, so if he's proposing a fix, then it must have been broken, and thus in this one Bible verse we have not just one, but TWO admissions by Biblegod that he's fallible- capable of making mistakes that need correcting.

Speaking of Biblegod and the subject of perfection, Billy Graham wrote, "if God isn't perfect, that means He can make mistakes—and therefore it means He can't be trusted."1  I'll take Billy at his word, and conclude, based on Genesis 2:18, that the god of the Bible can't be trusted; and if he can't be trusted, then he also can't be trusted about Creationism, Heaven, Hell, or Salvation.

Genesis 2:19 So God formed from the dirt of the ground all the animals of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the Man to see what he would name them. Whatever the Man called each living creature, that was its name. In verse 18, Biblegod admits he did a faulty job by creating Adam without a mate, then proposes to fix his error by creating a companion- a wife-, for Adam. So in the very next verse- verse 19- the wife Biblegod has in mind for Adam IS AN ANIMAL!!! Read these verses in CONTEXT.  Beasts of the field and birds of the air are what Biblegod created for Adam to pick a wife from!  Biblegod parades all the animals in front of Adam so Adam can pick a cow, chicken, or goat to be NOT his pet, but his wife- THESE are the REAL "family values" the Bible is here so clearly stating. But how do we know for an absolute certain FACT that was Biblegod's intention? Because the very next verse in the sequence, in the CONTEXT...
Genesis 2:20 The Man named the cattle, named the birds of the air, named the wild animals; but he didn't find a suitable companion. Verse 20, clearly states that "he didn't find a suitable companion" among the chickens, cows, and goats, which means HE MUST HAVE BEEN LOOKING for a "suitable companion" i.e. wife among the chickens and cows, as you can't fail to find something you weren't really looking for in the first place. But don't blame Adam for this- it was another of  Biblegod's bad ideas.
Genesis 2:21 God put the Man into a deep sleep. As he slept he removed one of his ribs and replaced it with flesh.  
Genesis 2:22 God then used the rib that he had taken from the Man to make Woman and presented her to the Man.  

Genesis 2:23

The Man said, "Finally! Bone of my bone,  flesh of my flesh! Name her Woman  for she was made from Man." As preachers are wont to say, in order to understand a section of scripture, you must pay strict attention to context, context, and context. And what does the context here indicate? It indicates, in regard to names, that Biblegod's original intention was for Adam to marry a chicken or whatever, as Biblegod had Adam give NAMES to all of the animals brought before him, and here, when Eve is brought before him, he does the exact same thing AND GIVES HER A NAME.
    Conclusion:   If Christians claim to worship a god that is perfect, it can't be the god described in their Bible, in Genesis chapter two, for that god not only makes mistakes, he also tries to fix his mistakes, sometimes poorly, and that is a far cry from being a perfect god.

 

References:

1)  "My Answer by Billy Graham", http://www.billygraham.org/MyAnswer_Article.asp?ArticleID=1709

 

Therefore, the God Christians Claim to Worship
is NOT the God Described in their Bible

Since Christians claim the god they worship is incapable of doing anything less than good, and the Bible's god clearly does things that are less than good, the god that Christians worship is not the god found described in the Bible. If they'd like to modify their definition of god, and say it makes mistakes, (like all the pagan gods of olden times), then they can keep their god of the Bible. But if they're going to insist that THEIR god is beyond mistakes, perfect and flawless in all it does, THEN they're going to have to jettison their Bible's god, and probably their Bible along with it.

 

 

 

 


 

The Beastly Beauty Show in Depth

Mark Smith     August 2005

Some Christians, ignorant of their own Bible, have disputed my contention that the parade of beasts in front of Adam was for him to pick out a mate. The text from Genesis shows otherwise. Please note:

Genesis 2: 18-22     The LORD God said, "It isn't good for the man to live alone. I need to make a suitable partner for him." So the LORD took some soil and made animals and birds. He brought them to the man to see what names he would give each of them. Then the man named the tame animals and the birds and the wild animals. That's how they got their names. None of these was the right kind of partner for the man.

So the LORD God made him fall into a deep sleep, and he took out one of the man's ribs. Then after closing the man's side, the LORD made a woman out of the rib. The LORD God brought her to the man, and the man exclaimed,

"Here is someone like me! She is part of my body, my own flesh and bones. She came from me, a man. So I will name her Woman!"

That's why a man will leave his own father and mother. He marries a woman, and the two of them become like one person.
 

Contemporary English Version, by the American Bible Society     http://bible.gospelcom.net/passage/?search=Genesis%202%20;&version=46;

Note the sections highlighted in yellow, "It isn't good for the man to live alone" and the very next thing Biblegod does after bringing up this problem isn't to introduce Adam to a woman (which even the dumbest of us would have known to do), but instead this Biblegod goes and makes a bunch of animals and tries to "hook up" Adam with one of them, but (golly gee) "None of these was the right kind of partner for the man." It would not have stated they weren't the right partner, were it not for the fact that was the major reason for the Beastly Parade in the first place.

What about the naming? Why was that done? Well, in case he found one he had the hots for, how else would he ask for it? There are zillions of different animals currently on this planet, and ten times that amount which have since gone extinct. Therefore, for ALL these animals to have been gathered together from the whole world, from below ground, above ground, in the water, not to mention the sky, and lets not forget all the variety of insects, to feed and organize and house all these critters (fish require aquariums, worms require dirt etc), and cleaned up after, then paraded in front of Adam, would have taken a VERY long time. How long? Well, if we conservatively estimate the number of species on this planet that have ever lived at 10 million, and then allow each species just one second on the "cat walk" for this ancient beauty show, and if we ran this show 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, it would have taken...  over 9 months. Nine months, hour after hour, watching these critters slither, crawl, fly, swim or trot their way in front of him... how else was he to specify almost a year later WHICH of these critters caught his fancy, unless he had names with which to specify each one? So that is why he had to name them, just as in today's beauty pageants they put numbers on the contestants.

In short, Biblegod admitted he screwed up in creating man alone. Then he tried to fix it via the beauty show but only failed again. Then he hit upon the idea of creating Eve. Intelligent designer, or Cosmic Dumbass- YOU decide!

 

 

 


 

 

 

A Short Story... Accurately Based on Genesis 2...
Down on the Farm with Joe & Mrs. Hovah

 

Genesis 2:18     You know honey, I feel sorry for our neighbor Adam. He's so alone all the time- he needs a wife, and by gum, I'm a goin' help him find one!

Genesis 2:19     Go next door and get Adam, and I'll meet you both at the barn. We're goin' let Adam take a goooood close look at all our farm animals.

...later that day after Adam went home...

Genesis 2:20     You know honey, Adam didn't seem much interested in marrying ANY of our animals! Why, he even turned up his nose at our prize cow Betsy!

Genesis 2:21     With him being so fussy, just what does he expect me to do- create a wife for him out of thin air or something???

 

 

 

 

 

 


 IF the "God" of the Bible Admitted to Doing
Anything that's Less Than Good,
THEN He's Not Perfect.

According to the story in the second chapter of Genesis...

Of all the creatures, the only one created by Biblegod without  a female, was the human.1 

Later Biblegod said "It isn't good for man to be alone" and then created Eve.
2  
 


 

Things to note here:   

 

  • Biblegod is the one who declared the situation wasn't good.
  • But Biblegod is the one who created the situation in the first place.
  • Therefore Biblegod created something that wasn't good.
  • Therefore Biblegod is not perfect.

 

  • "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
  • Biblegod fixed it by creating Eve.
  • Because it was fixed, it must have needed fixing in the first place.
  • Therefore Biblegod created something that needed fixing.
  • Therefore Biblegod is not perfect.

 

A truly perfect being is incapable of making mistakes- even one. But Biblegod MADE a mistake by creating the human male (complete with penis, sperm and testosterone) without a female companion, and this AFTER having had the common sense to create all the other animals male/female.  Biblegod went on to confirm it was a mistake by freely admitting what he had done wasn't good. Biblegod then went on and proved beyond all doubt that it certainly WAS a mistake by fixing the mistake (if it ain't broke, don't fix it). Thus (if Biblegod were real) Christians are worshipping a faulty, imperfect god, who makes mistakes, and has to go back and fix the mistakes he himself made.  In short, the god of the Bible, by his own admission, isn't perfect.

 

As for the inevitable Christian word quibblers, the word "good" in Genesis 2:18 (Strongs word #02896) is the EXACT same "good" used in the verse right before 18, i.e. Genesis 2:17:  "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."  So apparently, Biblegod himself didn't have "knowledge of good and evil" or else he wouldn't have done something that wasn't good. It is also the same "good" as used in Genesis 1:31 "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day." 

 

1) Genesis 2:7     2)   Biblegod, in Genesis 2:18

NOTEThe above line of reasoning is a silver bullet to the vampire heart of Christianity. They have NO answer or defense to it, other than to ignore it. I recommend to all Freethinkers, Atheists and Agnostics, to work it into their conversations with their Fundy friends. It might just be the "hammer" that cracks their arrogant eggshell of self-deception.  ---Mark Smith

 

 

 

 

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Biblegod Is Not Perfect

Mark Smith  June 2003

Biblegod can not be perfect. A perfect being, by definition, has no needs or desires or wants to be met. A perfect being in a perfect situation would not have a desire to change a thing- in fact, it would have no needs or desires at all. Perfection could not desire anything other than perfection, i.e. itself.  Beings can only desire what they don't already have, and a perfect being already has everything it wants, and therefore a perfect being can have no wants. Therefore, if a perfect being existed, "in the beginning" it would have done nothing at all- as nothing at all would have ever needed to be done- you can't improve on perfection- you can only mess it up. You are complete- you lack nothing. Therefore, if there really were a Biblegod, and if it were really perfect, it would have done nothing. Forever. It would act as the most stoned stoner that ever existed, the ultimate cosmic couch potato. 

The fact that we and the universe around us exists is proof positive that there is no such being, there is no perfect Biblegod. Chad Docterman summed it up thusly:

 

What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete -- it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing the elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.  http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/library/cd_impossible.html 

 

 

Picture yourself a perfect being in a perfect world. You are neither hungry nor full; therefore you seek no food. You are neither cold nor hot; therefore you seek no heat or air conditioning. You are neither bored nor overly excited; therefore you seek neither entertainment nor calm. You have no itches to scratch, no beds to be made, no "To Do" lists to fulfill, no loneliness to cure. You are a perfect being in a perfect world living in a state of perfection, with no wants, needs, or desires.

Another website commented on this same topic:

It is said that God is perfect. If this is the case, he cannot have flaws. He has no needs. Nor can he have any wants, for to suggest otherwise implies that he is not satisfied with his current state. Dissatisfaction is a product of imperfection, thus a perfect God would be totally satisfied with a static existence; that is to say, he would change nothing.

Yet, according to our definition, he changes everything. He creates. He spends six days doing so. Granted that to a timeless being six days would be instantaneous, but still, he is not static. This is a contradiction. An all-powerful being that neither needs nor wants to change does not change. Therefore, either God is not perfect, or he did not create the Universe.
http://timelordnomad.tripod.com/NewUniverse/id12.html

Any possible action that a Biblegod might have taken (if he really existed) would only have been in response to an imperfect situation, as perfect situations need no responding to. Given a perfect being in a perfect setting, there would have been no actions. None. With all things perfect, there was no room for improvement, therefore no room for changes. In fact, with all things already perfect, any change at all would have only resulted in a situation less than perfect, since by definition perfection can not be improved, only maintained or messed up.

A Buddhist anti-Christian website put it thusly:

Christians claim that God is perfect, that he is complete in every way, but if God really did create the universe this would prove that he was not perfect. Let us examine why. Before God created the universe there was nothing - no sun, no earth, no people, no good or evil, no pain - nothing but God who was, according to Christians, perfect. So if God was perfect and nothing but perfection existed, what motivated God to create the universe and thus bring imperfection into being? Was it because he was bored and wanted something to do? Was it because he was lonely and wanted someone to pray to him?

Christians will say that God created everything because of his love of man, but this is impossible. God could not love humans before he created them any more than a woman could love her children before she had conceived them. God's need to create indicates that he was dissatisfied in some way and therefore not perfect. Christians might then say that God created spontaneously and without need or desire. However this would mean that the whole universe came into being without purpose or forethought and therefore it would mean that God was not a loving creator.

http://www.buddhismtoday.com/english/dialogue/03-beyond3.htm

 

Take a piece of lumber as an example. Let's say that you need a 2x4 cut to exactly 5&1/2 feet long, plus or minus nothing.  The length of 5&1/2 feet is the perfect length. Any deviation from that whatsoever is a deviation from the state of perfection into imperfection, regardless of what the deviation is. Any changes whatsoever would be a confession that things weren't perfect to start with.

What did Biblegod lack in a perfect world? The very word "lack" implies an imperfection crying out to be improved, not perfection. A perfect god, unlike the Christian's Biblegod, would have lacked for nothing, and thus done nothing. A perfect situation needs no improvements, alterations, or changes.

Therefore, the minute Christians admit that their Biblegod DID make changes, DID seek to alter his situation in any way whatsoever- such as creating a universe complete with angels and humans, his situation must have been, per definition, imperfect to start with, and therefore he must not have been a perfect being in a perfect environment. Biblegod, before anything at all was ever created, in order to create, must have  seen things he could improve. By making these changes, Biblegod proved himself for time and eternity to NOT be a perfect being. Biblegod, before anything and everything- when it was just he himself alone that existed, when there was nobody else to blame (as he was all that existed), Biblegod decided to "fix things" and as we all know, 

 

"if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

 

Conclusion? He "fixed it", therefore "it" must have been broken from the get-go, and since Biblegod was the ONLY "it" at the get-go, by all that is reasonable and logical, by all that makes sense in this world, Biblegod was not, could not be, and is not, perfect. Biblegod, back when there was ONLY Biblegod and nothing else BUT Biblegod, Biblegod saw the need to improve things- that is, HE SAW SOMETHING THAT WASN'T PERFECT, and the only thing to see back then was... Biblegod.

In other words, the mythical god of the Christians, the one they are trying to sell to the world in competition to all the other mythical gods out there, this god saw room to improve himself and his situation. Therefore, Biblegod was not perfect.

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The following idea was suggested by a reader, Steve McClellan,  of San Luis Obispo, CA. I liked it, so here it is...

Has Biblegod always wanted people to worship him?

(   )  Yes   (Therefore Biblegod was in want of something, and therefore not perfect)

(   )  No   (Therefore you are wasting your time doing so, so stop already!)


 


A Perfect Creator Cannot Exist

  1. If God exists, then he is perfect.

  2. If God exists, then he is the creator of the universe.

  3. If a being is perfect, then whatever he creates must be perfect.

  4. But the universe is NOT perfect.

  5. Therefore, it is impossible for a perfect being to be the creator of the universe.

  6. Hence, it is impossible for God to exist.

            God: The Failed Hypothesis   Victor J. Stenger, Prometheus Books, Amherst, NY 2007,  p. 32

 

 


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