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Nev Randle
Sold Out Angel
Francois Tremblay 4-8-05
Subject: Mr. Rogers
Date: 4/8/2005 6:59:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
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To: JCnot4me@aol.com
Hello there !
I love your web site. I started an atheist ministry and I already linked to
your site and some of your articles. They are truly powerful, and some are
eye-opening even for me. I keep appraised of all your updates. Great work !
I am distressed about one thing, however. On your article "Just Say No! "
(http://www.jcnot4me.com/Items/evangelical_ath/Just%20Say%20No/just_say_no.htm),
you compare "Jesus" to Mr. Rogers. I find it quite distressing that you
would compare such a gentle and comapssionate man (Mr. Rogers) with the
frustrated, angry, failed cult leader "Jesus". Please choose someone else ;)
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Yours in Reason,
Francois Tremblay mdipres@sympatico.ca
Personal site : www.insolitology.com/personal/
Owner of Strongatheism.net ( www.strongatheism.net ).
Co-Host of the Hellbound Alleee show ( www.hellboundalleee.com )
Author of "Handbook of Atheistic Apologetics", "Introduction to
Objectivism" and "Atheism in a Post-religious World" (see
http://www.objectivethought.com/books/ ).
This message was made with recycled electrons.
Hey Francois;
Thanks for the email, and the linkage. We all need to do what we can to keep
people sane.
You are right about Mr. Rogers being a better example / role model for children.
I think what I was trying to do there, in as short and pithy a way as possible,
was to contrast the two gods of Christiandumb. In a short short one page essay
like that, where I'm touching on subjects that each could fill an entire book,
one has to cut things to their bare minimum. I am trying to convey an idea, and
I think that the comparison I chose does that. What you didn't mention is that
even Freddy Krugar is way above Biblegod Joe Hovah in moral values etc- Biblegod
is responsible for the deaths of everyone on the planet for the last billion
years, as Biblegod created death because Adam ate a piece of fruit. Freddy has
maybe only killed a hundred in his whole career!
I'll put a link up and probably your email on my site later.
--Mark Smith, Set Free
Nev Randle
Hi Mark,
Last one, I promise (At least for today).
Christians can sometimes be an enormous pain in the, you know what. They can
strutt around with their chest out pretending to be 'holier than thou' or better
than everyone else. They can make some pretty stupid statements about their
faith, or God in general. They can even be hurtful, unthinking and unkind when
they want to be... and sometimes even when they don't. But what does that make
them... hypocrites? No! it makes them human. Just like everyone else.
Mark Smith here} Uhhh, maybe I'm a little bit stupid,
but what does this have to do with my essay "He Wasn't A Real Christian"???
I've
read some pretty dopey things on your website, like that article "The Gospel
(Good News) of Jesus" where you try to convince the small minded that Jesus said
a number of things that Christians wished he hadn't. I can't even accept that
you believe some of the crap you've written.
Mark Smith here} Once again, an accusation with no
evidence to back it up. They think they can just speak, and it will become so.
Let me try... OK Nev, everything you write is wrong. Boy, that was easy!!!
But what does that make you? Human.
What about that "Just say NO" article? You've thrown the baby own with the
bathwater. Is it fair to judge God by the actions of fallible people?
Mark Smith here} Is it fair to judge a cure for
cancer by noticing that it's never cured anyone??? The medicine doesn't work
as advertised, Nev. Compare crime rates for Christian USA verses Pagan Japan.
Is it
even wise to refuse to believe in him because you have developed an irrational
hate (it comes through very clearly in your articles) for his followers? Your
thinking, though you like to see it as 'free', is bound and restricted by a bias
that drives you to irrationality.
Mark Smith here} Nev still thinks he's Biblegod
speaking things into existence. He claims that I'm irrational, but of course,
doesn't provide one bit of evidence. Maybe this kind of empty accusation flies
in church, but not in the real world. Preachers get up and say all sorts of
crap without backing it up, and the dumbass sheep in the pews just suck it in
without questioning. Well Nev, these ain't no sheep around here, and we sure
ain't in no friggin church!!! You claim I hate Christians: prove it. You also
claim I am irrational: prove it. You also claim I am bias: again, prove it.
But I won't hold my breath waiting for your evidence, for like most xtians,
you have none. All you have is slander and unfounded accusations. Your type is
good at name calling, but not at intelligent debates.
Fancy telling people to say "NO" to God because a church cheated you, or a
minister lied to you, or a Christian deceived you.
Mark Smith here} Fancy telling people to say "NO" to
a religion that doesn't work as advertised! Well! The Audacity of me! How dare
me! Just because Jesus said that Christians can drink poison without harm
(Mark 16:18) and I point out that this is pure horseshit, how dare me! Yes,
how dare me to point out that their religion is mostly pompous hot air, and
doesn't work as advertised. How dare me.
I don't believe for a minute, that you are an Atheist, Mark! You have to believe
in God to hate him as much as you do.
Regards
Nev Randle
From: Sold Out Angel
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Ok, I have been praying about this whole thing. Let me explain
to you why it upsets me with what you said. When I read your web page and it
said all those things about Jesus it hurt me. Because Jesus is my Lord and
savior and He died for everyone in the world so that we wouldn't have to go
to hell. Jesus is my best friend and for someone to make fun of Him and
mock His name that cut me deep because I love Him. Maybe you would feel the
same way if someone was making fun of someone you are close to and love.
However at the time I read your web page I was hurt and when people get hurt
a lot of times they speak out of anger instead of love. I do feel sorry for
you and I do hope that things get better for you. I don't know what happened
to you to make you feel the way you do but I am sorry if a Christian or
anyone else has hurt you. I am more sorry that you take it out on Jesus.
However I should not have written any of the e-mails without first taking a
moment to spend with God so that I would know what He would want me to say
to you. As a Christian I am to be humble, prayerful, and mature about things
like this. And I am sorry if I came across harsh or over-baring. I do wish
that the web page you have made did not exist but God will take care of
that. In no way am I sorry for defending Jesus however, the only thing I am
sorry about is the way it probably came across. Jesus knew you before you
were ever born and He knew you when He died for you on the cross and He
loved you so much that He didn't care that you would make that web page even
though it hurts Him and He knew that we would have this conversation and so
I want to apologize for not handling it the way He would want me to from the
beginning. I hope that you can forgive me for coming across wrong and I pray
that you will find your way to Him one day just as Paul did.
In HIS love
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