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Gender War
So Who Is On Top ?
Gender War
by Beverly Ashley
beverlyashley27@hotmail.com
In some, if not most religions, to be a woman is to be relegated to the
position of someone who does the grunt work, on the sidelines. Not quite a
person but, if not there, the whole system falls to pieces.
In the Hebrew Bible, the First Woman is penalized for wanting to have
Knowledge. Knowledge is power. Her mistake was sharing it with Adam. Perhaps, if
she had not, Adam might've needed another wife. Made from a bone in the foot,
perhaps? The better to stomp on her? No freethinkers allowed in Eden. It's
either God's way, or the highway. Most fundamental movements have a list of what
is uh, fundamental. Close to the top, is the insistence that everybody knows
their place: Males on top of women. Them and Us. Them women. Always getting
uppity. Thinking they is people, worthy of being equal, or superior of men! Oh,
and control of their own body? I think that abortion is wrong, but. If you
aren't supposed to make decisions about your own body, like preventative birth
control, how could you make decisions about anything else? A young woman should
not be pushed to have sex, or marriage before she is ready in her mind. Too soon
is worse then not at all. 'Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed'?
Considering, that, in 'Bible' times, up to maybe a hundred years ago, girls
didn't start their cycles until maybe fourteen, or later. These days, younger
then that. I don't care WHAT the bible says: Even fourteen is too young to have
sex, let alone have children! Yes, I think abstinence is a good idea, but. It
didn't help the Virgin Mary when 'Biblegod' decided he wanted to use her for a
surrogate womb. If Joseph, her husband to be hadn't been a good man, she
would've been in a rock concert. In those days, it was only the men who could
end a marriage. If a man beat up his wife every day, she was shit out of luck.
People would say 'oh, it was her fault. She shouldn't have forgotten to bow
down, and call him 'Master'.' Even if he did divorce her, all she'd get was
maybe the clothes on her back. The dowry would probably go back to the father of
the woman.
Let's talk about the man with the concubine. While visiting her father, a
gang of men from the town come by, and want to have male dominant sex with him.
What do her father, and lover do? They push her outside so she could get raped
instead of the sacred man. Why does the woman have to be the sacrificial lamb?
Like Jephnah's daughter. Maybe he should've told God to 'fuck himself' he wasn't
gonna do that to his own daughter. What's a broken promise to a deity compared
to his flesh and blood child? No reprieve for girl children. What sort of deity
gives a child, then demands it back? Isn't that a waste of effort? Maybe that's
what abortions are. Giving back to God. Supposedly, He has a plan for every
little fetus. A verse in Psalms says 'Beautifully, and wondrously made'.
Something like that, implying that God knows all the inner workings of your
body. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he doesn't give a shit. Why do children have to
pay for their parents' sins? AIDS babies. Crack babies. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
Maybe birth defects are just the luck of the draw. Maybe God should get on the
stick, and help the children. Did they ask to be conceived?
Maybe in a 'new age' way of thinking. But, if you don't remember why, and how
this decision was made, and you're a totally different person, how does that
decision really pertain to you?
Let's talk about the Church Fathers. There is enough documentation to suggest
that if they had the technology to procreate without the woman being involved,
they would've done it. Women would be an endangered group. Heterosexuality would
be frowned on. From Paul, to Augustine, to Luther; it was men GOOD, women EVIL.
No matter what a woman did, or looked like, the old poops faulted her for it,
inferring she had ulterior motives; to seduce holy men. Give me a break! Why
would anybody WANT to have anything to do with those mentally constipated
ascetics? Money? The only game in town? Knocking people off pedestals? The only
way a woman could get good with those anal warts, was to be 'super virgin'. Sex
BAD. Pleasure BAD. Torturing yourself, (and others), GOOD. Flesh EVIL. Holy men?
There's no pleasing them.
I do have to say that if there is one extreme, there has to be another. Just
trying to be fair about this. I don't want to castrate any males. A PENIS IS NO
GOOD UNLESS IT'S ATTACHED TO A GOOD MAN.
So Who Is On Top
?
by Beverly Ashley
beverlyashley27@hotmail.com
The perceived 'society' has the white male on top. Well, things are
achangin'. About time. But, I have to inject a word of caution.
Not
all white males benefited from the patriarchy. Not all females are
benefiting from the push to get women 'out of the house'. People
should have equal opportunity, but everyone is not the same as everyone
else. No one should be penelized for having different interests from
others in their 'subgroup'.
>>>>>
>>>>>The more things change, the more they stay the same. It is still
>>>>>somewhat expected that the male pays for everything. Within the
>>>>>varigities of the economic climate, sometimes it's the woman who has
>>>>>the job. When there is a divorce with children, the woman generally
>>>>>gets the children. Unless she is a proven horrible mother, or doesn't
>>>>>want them. For their own good. There are still questions when a
woman
>>>>>doesn't have children. Like, 'why don't you want a child? Are
you
>>>>>selfish? What, you want to be alone when you're old? You got
bad
>>>>>plumbing?' Just because a woman HAS a job, it doesn't mean she can
>>>>>afford another mouth to feed.
>>>Is it proof of being a woman, being able to have them?
>>>
>>>Hatred of female people is still rampant in the world. Most religon is
>>>full of it. How many secular societies insist on marginalizing a whole
>>>gender? How many do that with ethnic backgrounds? (without any
sane
>>>reason?)
>>>
>>>From the Greek culture, on, discounting the worth of a female has been
>>>the priviledge of those in power.
>>
>>Greek maxiam>A good woman should not even be talked about>
>
>What about the one that asserts that 'A mother is only a vessel for the
>unborn child'?
>I'd like to knock that silly helmet off Athena's head. That's how Orestes
>got the 'ooooh, it's okay to kill your Mother'. The Furies wanted to hand
>him his head. Isn't it the ultimate act of ungratitude to kill your
>mother?
>> Is it unheard of that Persia and Greece had close ties?
Who invented
>>the 'woman's quarters'?
>>
>>Rome started to be a little more equitable. What would have happened if
>>Christianity never came into power? Hmmmm.
>>Maybe there would've been a female senator in the Forum.
>>Probably not. Mithraism, the other front runner, was a boy's only club.
>>The Dark ages were a barbaric time. Time to cling to the status quo, and
>>obey the leader (who happened to be a man).
>>
>>For over a thousand years, on and off, clerics debated whether women HAD
>>souls. And, it was perfectly permissible to beat her, just as long as
the
>>stick wasn't too thick.
>>>
>>>For a religion that stated 'male, female, free, slave, all are equal in
>>>the sight of the Lord', Christianity didn't put it's money where it's
>>>mouth was.
>>>>>Until after the renaisance.
>It took a few rebellious men with a few REALLY GOOD ideas to start the
>process. It took quite a while, and a civil war to get the point across
>that perhaps, it's not always the white male that gets the good ideas.
>A sense of fairness. Guilt. Not all white males were, or are
overbearing
>autocrats.
>>>>>Before you think that I'm just bashing Christians, just think.
>>>>>Hinduism, and Islam do the same. Is it the Indo European thing?
The
>>>>>mindset that if you don't have male genitals, you don't count?
>Some cultures castrate females so the men aren't in dangerof giving
>pleasure to the woman.
Some cultures have good thoughts about 'suttee'
>>>>>HATRED OF THE FEMALE IS EVERYWHERE!
>>>>>
>>>>>It lingers even now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why else are boys are shamed when you call them a girl?
Is it BAD to be female?
>>>>>
>>>>>Maybe, it's just the crime of being the 'other'. Them, and us.
God's
>>>>>chosen gender can do whatever he wants.
Wicca tries to balance it out, but, then, the Goddess comes across as Joe
Hovah with a sex change. Does one inequality cancel out another?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In some, if not most, religions, to be a woman is to be relegated
>>>>>>>>>to the position of someone who does the grunt work, on the
>>>>>>>>>sidelines. Not quite a person, but, if not there, the whole
system
>>>>>>>>>falls to pieces.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In the Hebrew Bible, the First Woman is penalized for wanting to
>>>>>>>>>have Knowledge. Knowledge is power. Her mistake was sharing
it
>>>>>>>>>with Adam. Perhaps, if she had not, Adam might've needed another
>>>>>>>>>wife. Made from a bone in the foot, perhaps? The better to
stomp
>>>>>>>>>on her?
>>>>>>>>>No freethinkers allowed in Eden. It's either God's way, or the
>>>>>>>>>highway.
>>>>>>>>>Most fundemental movements have a list of what is uh, fundemental.
>>>>>>>>>Close to the top, is the insistance that everybody knows their
>>>>>>>>>place: Males on top of women. Them and Us. Them
women. Always
>>>>>>>>>getting uppity. Thinking they is people, worthy of being equal,
or
>>>>>>>>>superior of men! Oh, and control of their own body? I think
that
>>>>>>>>>abortion is wrong, but. If you aren't supposed to make decisions
>>>>>>>>>about your own body, like preventitive birth control, how could you
>>>>>>>>>make decisions about anything else? A young woman should not be
>>>>>>>>>pushed to have sex, or marriage before she is ready in her mind.
>>>>>>>>>Too soon is worse then not at all. 'Old enough to bleed, old
>>>>>>>>>enough to breed'? Considering, that, in 'Bible' times, up to
maybe
>>>>>>>>>a hundred years ago, girls didn't start their cycles until maybe
>>>>>>>>>fourteen, or later. These days, younger then that. I don't
care
>>>>>>>>>WHAT the bible says: Even fourteen is too young to have sex, let
>>>>>>>>>alone have children! Yes, I think abstinance is a good idea,
but.
>>>>>>>>>It didn't help the Virgin Mary when 'Biblegod' decided he wanted to
>>>>>>>>>use her for a sarrogate womb. If Joseph, her husband to be hadn't
>>>>>>>>>been a good man, she would've been in a rock concert. In those
>>>>>>>>>days, it was only the men who could end a marriage. If a man beat
>>>>>>>>>up his wife every day, she was shit out of luck. People would say
>>>>>>>>>'oh, it was her fault. She shouldn't have forgotten to bow down,
>>>>>>>>>and call him 'Master'.' Even if he did divorce her, all she'd get
>>>>>>>>>was maybe the clothes on her back. The dowery would probaly go
>>>>>>>>>back to the father of the woman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Let's talk about the man with the concubine. While visiting her
>>>>>>>>father, a gang of men from the town come by, and want to have male
>>>>>>>>dominant sex with him. What do her father, and lover do?
They push
>>>>>>>>her outside so she could get raped instead of the sacred man. Why
>>>>>>>>does the woman have to be the sacrificial lamb? Like Jephnah's
>>>>>>>>daughter. Maybe he should've told God to 'fuck himself' he wasn't
>>>>>>>>gonna do that to his own daughter. What's a broken promise to a
>>>>>>>>deity compared to his flesh and blood child? No reprieve for
>>>>>>>>girlchildren. What sort of deity gives a child, then demands it
>>>>>>>>back? Isn't that a waste of effort? Maybe that's what
abortions
>>>>>>>>are. Giving back to God. Supposedly, He has a plan for every
>>>>>>>>little fetus. A verse in Psalms says 'Beautifully, and wonderous
>>>>>>>>made'. Something like that, inplying that God knows all the inner
>>>>>>>>workings of your body. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he doesn't
give a
>>>>>>>>shit. Why do children have to pay for their parents' sins?
AIDS
>>>>>>>>babies. Crack babies. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Maybe
birth defects
>>>>>>>>are just the luck of the draw. Maybe God should get on the stick,
>>>>>>>>and help the children. Did they ask to be conceived?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Maybe in a 'new age' way of thinking. But, if you don't remember
>>>>>>>>>why, and how this decision was made, and you're a totally different
>>>>>>>>>person, how does that decision really pertain to you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Let's talk about the Church Fathers. There is enough documentation
>>>>>>>>to suggest that if they had the technology to procreate without the
>>>>>>>>woman being involved, they would've done it. Women would be an
>>>>>>>>endangered group. Hetrosexuality would be frowned on. From
Paul,
>>>>>>>>to Augustine, to Luther; it was men GOOD, women EVIL. No matter
>>>>>>>>what a woman did, or looked like, the old poops faulted her for it,
>>>>>>>>infering she had ulterior motives; to seduce holy men. Give me a
>>>>>>>>break! Why would anybody WANT to have anything to do with those
>>>>>>>>mentally constipated ascetics? Money? The only game in
town?
>>>>>>>>Knocking people off pedistals?
>>>>>>>The only way a woman could get good with those anal warts, was to be
>>>>>>>'super virgin'. Sex BAD. Pleasure BAD. Torturing
yourself, (and
>>>>>>>others), GOOD. Flesh EVIL. Holy men? There's no
pleasing them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I do have to say that if there is one extreme, there has to be
>>>>>>>another. Just trying to be fair about this. I don't want to
>>>>>>>castrate any males. A PENIS IS NO GOOD UNLESS IT'S ATTACHED TO A
>>>>>>>GOOD MAN.
>>>>>********************
>>>>>>>After all, sometimes males are victimized by the prevailing religious
>>>>>>>rules. 'To whom much is given, much is required'. If a man is
>>>>>>>'expected' to be the moneymaker in a relationship, he has a bad
>>>>>>>reputation if circumstances dictate that he can't. It happens more
>>>>>>>then you think. It is MY opinion that a woman can get a job faster
>>>>>>>then a male. Most of the time, it's not quite as much as a man
would
>>>>>>>get. But, sometimes a little is better then nothing at all.
>>>>>>Perhaps, there should be less expectation of traditional male, female
>>>>>>roles. After all, in what sort of job do you actually NEED your
>>>>>>genitals?
>>>>>>>In these days, and ages, there isn't that much call for brute
>>>>>>>strength.
>>>>>>>>Testoserone. Estrogen. Progestin. To a certain degree,
everybody
>>>>>>>>has them. When they get out of balance, that's when the problems
>>>>>>>>begin.
>>>>>>>>>But, what is normal? Whatever works, and you can live with it.
>>>>>>>>>****************
>>>>>
>>>>> Social Conventions: Just another box to be
shoved in? Or is it a
>>>>> safety mechinism?
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